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Author Topic: L&R locks ?  (Read 918 times)

Offline bldtrailer

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L&R locks ?
« on: December 05, 2018, 03:31:44 PM »
My sons flinter is a Traditions Tennessee 24 inch barrel 1-66 shoots/groups great with 80rn 3ff pt rb , but the lock isn't very good . L&R show a replacement lock (small for cva, traditions) does anyone know if it's a drop in( or needs to be fitted)  and how good are R&L locks?

Online Rob DiStefano

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Re: L&R locks ?
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2018, 04:02:41 PM »
i've installed three L&R locks into GPR's and they are quite good.  L&R makes top shelf locks, for sure. 

imo, no aftermarket lock is a "drop in" fit and all will require a little bit of proper mortise/inlet fitting.  not a big deal at all for most of us.

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Re: L&R locks ?
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2018, 07:10:11 PM »
I will herald Robs opinion on L&R locks.  They were on of the first mfg's to really go after production locks short of Siler.  You might need to "touch" one up a bit but in general they are great. 

As to being replacement locks quite frankly I have no experience in that endeavor.....
Bruce A. Hering; AMM 761
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Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: L&R locks ?
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2018, 10:10:49 AM »
I have posted this before; I put a L&R RPL lock in a TC Renegade, it was anything but a drop in. It took some serious gunsmithing skills to fit the lock and get it working. I also sent the lock back to L&R twice because of manufacturing flaws. When I got it back the second time it still wasn't right (tumber wouldn't turn) but I fixed it myself rather than send it back again.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2018, 10:11:05 AM by Eric Krewson »

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Re: L&R locks ?
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2018, 01:25:02 PM »
I have posted this before; I put a L&R RPL lock in a TC Renegade, it was anything but a drop in. It took some serious gunsmithing skills to fit the lock and get it working. I also sent the lock back to L&R twice because of manufacturing flaws. When I got it back the second time it still wasn't right (tumber wouldn't turn) but I fixed it myself rather than send it back again.

I seem to recall that experience, Eric... Let's hope with L&Rs reputation, that was a 1-off situation and if the OP buys one the most he'll have to do is to scrape and fit a bit of wood and all will be well!

Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: L&R locks ?
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2018, 11:27:46 PM »
I got a lot of feedback when I posted my difficulties with an L&R drop in, most of the guys who contacted me had the same problems.

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Re: L&R locks ?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2018, 10:46:21 AM »
I got a lot of feedback when I posted my difficulties with an L&R drop in, most of the guys who contacted me had the same problems.

Not being very savvy about this stuff... I'm guessing here, but I wonder if it might be more of a concern if one gets the new lock pan lined up properly with the touch hole...

..and how does one ensure that alignment... I just "ass-ume" that it comes correct on factory guns I've had...  ???

Online Rob DiStefano

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Re: L&R locks ?
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2018, 10:50:55 AM »
the problem isn't with the L&R locks, it's with the inconsistencies of these offshore stocks/mortises/inlets.  i proved that many times over.

Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: L&R locks ?
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2018, 02:41:11 PM »
I moved my barrel back almost 1/4" to get the pan centered on the existing touch hole.

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Re: L&R locks ?
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2018, 02:56:28 PM »
I moved my barrel back almost 1/4" to get the pan centered on the existing touch hole.

NOT That I intend to change my GPR lock, but that's what I would Worry about...Alightnment...

Sounds like Eric is saying the touch hole should be dead center of the pan?

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Re: L&R locks ?
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2018, 04:50:55 PM »
i've installed the L&R RPL05 lock into no less than three GPR rifles and all required minimal inlet tweaking.  maybe i was just lucky.

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Re: L&R locks ?
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2018, 09:39:09 PM »
I helped a buddy install a L&R on his T/C Hawken. We had to remove some wood hear and there but luckley it wasn’t too bad. Just took our time and made sure it fit right. The only problem with the lock was the frizzen had alot of play, with frizzen spring compressed the Frizzen had alot of wiggle that i didn’t like. The lock worked great until the frizzen broke because of the play. He called L&R, told them what happened. After sending it back they fixed the problem and sent it back. So far so good the lock is working great without any issues!

Offline Eric Krewson

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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2019, 11:12:15 AM »
I actually sent back two different locks. The first one they sent me had a huge casting flaw in the nose, I mean a hunk out of the nose that there was no way to file it out. The next one they sent me had the hammer too far out on the tumble shaft and the it only nicked the edge of the cock stop. I sent it back and they ground off the tumbler shaft so the hammer fit in the right position, but.....they created a huge burr in the grinding process and pressed the tumbler shaft burr and all through the tumbler hole in the lock plate. The tumble wouldn't turn without great effort even standing alone with no main spring attached because it was dragging on the burr they forced through the hole.

I disassembled the lock and it took me about 2 seconds to locate the problem. I filed off the burr, polished the shaft and hole to a mirror surface and put everything back together, now the lock worked like it was supposed to.

I didn't notice any play in the shaft so I called the lock OK and finished my build. I sold the gun(TC Renegade built from many new parts) to a collector who never shoots any of the guns in his collection so the condition of the lock is unimportant.  I don't think the burr damaged the tumbler hole in the lock plate because I caught it right away. 

I bought the lock for $189 but had close to $20 in shipping sending it back twice, I was not reimbursed for my shipping costs.

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Re: L&R locks ?
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2019, 11:17:19 AM »
i have an L&R trade lock on the 20ga smoothie and i wound up taking it apart for proper cleaning, polishing and lubing.  made a difference for sure.  that L&R is what came with the gun, but i'd rather have a jim chambers lock; they are perfect from the get-go and worth the extra dollar$.


Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: L&R locks ?
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2019, 11:18:58 AM »
Perhaps the GPR RPL lock is a better fit than a TC. I have heard from a lot of folk who used a TC RPL, some went in easily, some went in poorly and everything in between. I have found they is a lot of inconsistency in TC guns, they are not the cookie cutter copies we might expect.