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The Campfire / Re: Changing patch material
« Last post by rollingb on Today at 12:19:05 AM »
In my experience regarding patch material,... the material must be of 100% cotton. (containing NO synthetics or polyesters)
100% cotton material found in fabric stores usually contain "sizing" (starch) and needs to be run through the washer (at least once, twice is even better) before being used as a patch material.
Washing 100% pure cotton material generally causes a bit of shrinkage,... shrunk material gets smaller in "yardage", but at the same time it also tends to get a bit "thicker".
Pure 100% cotton material consisting of a tight weave (ideal patch material for our purposes) measuring .007-.008" on the dealer's shelves, will usually "fluff up" to around .010-.011" after being washed AND dried (depending on just how tight the weave is).  :thumbs:

The 100% cotton material I use in my muzzleloaders (pillow ticking) measures .014-.015" fresh from the store,.... after washing (at least once to remove the "sizing") and ran through the dryer, the material "fluffs up" to around .018-.020" after it shrinks.
The shrinkage also makes the "weave" even tighter (which is always a good thing).  :thumbs:
Ammunition / Re: Buying Black Powder in the Great State of Massachusetts
« Last post by doc nock on August 20, 2017, 10:13:07 PM »
Dang...did I start something?

I found a place in NW VA that sells it and one in Central KY... I don't think there is an issue with my buying at the KY store, but I might find out differently...just be nice to take a "day trip" (once I iron out my vehicle issues of late) and be in a store that sells stuff I like! 

Here, the only "gun stores" are pawn shops...!  Nothing against them, but it is NOT their mainstay... so nothing irregular.  Given this thread, I damn sure will call before I drive that far... time to us retarded...er, retired folks is less an issue then $$$! :)
The Campfire / Re: Changing patch material
« Last post by doc nock on August 20, 2017, 10:06:22 PM »
As Rob knows, I spent like 2-3 hrs in a joanne store miles from here mic'n their bolts of cloth...nothing was exactly.010 thick...lots of .0070 or .0080 (did I type that right, just under the .010 thickness)

Then I found some stuff exactly .010 but it was a looser weave... bought a bit but I've not shot it and we think it will burn up due to the looser warp/weave of material.

Rob knew the name of the stuff...it didn't sell well so it was in their closeout area.

I mic'd some of what Rob sent and with my Mic it was .007 (?) just UNDER .010 without lube. I have some of that, some of the .012, and .015 lubed with the Gato Feo of Rob's recommendation. Once I get shooting and testing when temps and rain subside, I'll make a run to duplicate what worked best.

Back in ole PA, we used Ox Yoke pre cut .015 with bore Butter... pounded down the bbl... at the range, I cleaned between shots since I used the gun to hunt, I wanted it to print the way it came into the field each new day.  I always shot off the load, cleaned and reloaded a fresh load for next day, so that was how I tested at the range... no fouling control to worry about. I did try some 2nd shots and in the field in hunting conditions, it was amazing how I didn't notice any tight patch issues for a 2nd shot when game had been encountered! :):)
The Campfire / Re: Changing patch material
« Last post by Rob DiStefano on August 20, 2017, 09:59:25 PM »
I'll tell you how you'll pull it.Drill a hole in a board slightly larger than the bore,cut at 12" long.Place over bore,screw puller into ball,lay the gun on the ground,sit on the ground and put your feet against the board and pull with all you got. ::)

a loose PB will be almost easy to pull out. 

a tight PB is a horse of another weird color.  here's why - when you pierce the ball with the screw worm, it doesn't shave lead, it expands it.  where does that lead go?  it squeezes the patch material further into the rifling.  if the PB was tight from the get-go, ya just made removal harder, sometimes nearly impossibly harder because the added wedge tension can sometimes be greater than the screw worm's bite and the worm prematurely releases.

i carry a .62 long shank brass jag, with a 3/16" hole at 90* at its end, in my shooting bag.  after threading that jag on the rod's ferruled end (ALL my ramrods have threaded brass ferrules on each rod end, epoxied and pinned), a loop of para cord through that hole allows me to loop the loop over a tree branch (or whatever) to afford the leverage to pull the gun away from the PB and rod.  this has saved me grief on more than a few dry ball occasions.  don't think you'll ever dry ball?  HAH!!! - you must either rarely shoot or believe in the tooth fairy.  ;D
Accoutrements / Re: Another Small Patch Knife
« Last post by doc nock on August 20, 2017, 09:54:06 PM »
period my posterior!  That's maybe not period correct but a damn fine exclamation point in my book!

Ammunition / Re: 40 Cal Round Balls
« Last post by Rob DiStefano on August 20, 2017, 09:42:01 PM »
DON'T BUY ANYTHING ELSE!  personally, you'd be better off starting with .390 balls and get .010 and .015 patch cloth.  pm me with what he's sending with the gun and i'll get you either what's missing or what i can add to the mix for a proper start on yer rock lock adventure.
Accoutrements / Re: Another Small Patch Knife
« Last post by Yewbender on August 20, 2017, 08:39:03 PM »
I got one word....AWSOME!!!!!!!!!!

That is some fine craftmenship, very nice!
Ammunition / Re: 40 Cal Round Balls
« Last post by Yewbender on August 20, 2017, 08:37:15 PM »
You will have to try a couple sizes and find what works the best. Besides the bore dia. The depth of the rifling cut comes into play chosing patch thickness. Im sure Rob can can explain it to the tee!

Since you got .395 round balls i would start out with .010 patches and also try .015. Either one should work and the .010 will load easier. Give'm a try and see what the gun likes and also if you want an easy to load or lil harder to load prb. Good luck!

Accoutrements / Re: Another Small Patch Knife
« Last post by tippit on August 20, 2017, 08:17:05 PM »
Thanks...Handle is Salted Oak from Kenney Yoder'S (4runner on Trad Gang) wood pile!
Firearms / Re: Original PA Longrifle
« Last post by tippit on August 20, 2017, 08:13:33 PM »
Got some response from American LongRifle web Site on the PA Longrifle...

"I'm with the others , never a flint. I'm guessing a 1860's period gun.  The box does resemble a Tryon & Co. box that they were using and selling at the time.  Thanks for posting."

"It definitely wasn't a flintlock given the back action percussion lock. From what I can see its a Henry Parker lock. IIRC he was a lock maker until around 1860."
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