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Title: L&R locks ?
Post by: bldtrailer on December 05, 2018, 03:31:44 PM
My sons flinter is a Traditions Tennessee 24 inch barrel 1-66 shoots/groups great with 80rn 3ff pt rb , but the lock isn't very good . L&R show a replacement lock (small for cva, traditions) does anyone know if it's a drop in( or needs to be fitted)  and how good are R&L locks?
Title: Re: L&R locks ?
Post by: Rob DiStefano on December 05, 2018, 04:02:41 PM
i've installed three L&R locks into GPR's and they are quite good.  L&R makes top shelf locks, for sure. 

imo, no aftermarket lock is a "drop in" fit and all will require a little bit of proper mortise/inlet fitting.  not a big deal at all for most of us.
Title: Re: L&R locks ?
Post by: Huntschool on December 06, 2018, 07:10:11 PM
I will herald Robs opinion on L&R locks.  They were on of the first mfg's to really go after production locks short of Siler.  You might need to "touch" one up a bit but in general they are great. 

As to being replacement locks quite frankly I have no experience in that endeavor.....
Title: Re: L&R locks ?
Post by: Eric Krewson on December 08, 2018, 10:10:49 AM
I have posted this before; I put a L&R RPL lock in a TC Renegade, it was anything but a drop in. It took some serious gunsmithing skills to fit the lock and get it working. I also sent the lock back to L&R twice because of manufacturing flaws. When I got it back the second time it still wasn't right (tumber wouldn't turn) but I fixed it myself rather than send it back again.
Title: Re: L&R locks ?
Post by: doc nock on December 08, 2018, 01:25:02 PM
I have posted this before; I put a L&R RPL lock in a TC Renegade, it was anything but a drop in. It took some serious gunsmithing skills to fit the lock and get it working. I also sent the lock back to L&R twice because of manufacturing flaws. When I got it back the second time it still wasn't right (tumber wouldn't turn) but I fixed it myself rather than send it back again.

I seem to recall that experience, Eric... Let's hope with L&Rs reputation, that was a 1-off situation and if the OP buys one the most he'll have to do is to scrape and fit a bit of wood and all will be well!
Title: Re: L&R locks ?
Post by: Eric Krewson on December 14, 2018, 11:27:46 PM
I got a lot of feedback when I posted my difficulties with an L&R drop in, most of the guys who contacted me had the same problems.
Title: Re: L&R locks ?
Post by: doc nock on December 15, 2018, 10:46:21 AM
I got a lot of feedback when I posted my difficulties with an L&R drop in, most of the guys who contacted me had the same problems.

Not being very savvy about this stuff... I'm guessing here, but I wonder if it might be more of a concern if one gets the new lock pan lined up properly with the touch hole...

..and how does one ensure that alignment... I just "ass-ume" that it comes correct on factory guns I've had...  ???
Title: Re: L&R locks ?
Post by: Rob DiStefano on December 15, 2018, 10:50:55 AM
the problem isn't with the L&R locks, it's with the inconsistencies of these offshore stocks/mortises/inlets.  i proved that many times over.
Title: Re: L&R locks ?
Post by: Eric Krewson on December 17, 2018, 02:41:11 PM
I moved my barrel back almost 1/4" to get the pan centered on the existing touch hole.
Title: Re: L&R locks ?
Post by: doc nock on December 17, 2018, 02:56:28 PM
I moved my barrel back almost 1/4" to get the pan centered on the existing touch hole.

NOT That I intend to change my GPR lock, but that's what I would Worry about...Alightnment...

Sounds like Eric is saying the touch hole should be dead center of the pan?
Title: Re: L&R locks ?
Post by: Rob DiStefano on December 17, 2018, 04:50:55 PM
i've installed the L&R RPL05 lock into no less than three GPR rifles and all required minimal inlet tweaking.  maybe i was just lucky.
Title: Re: L&R locks ?
Post by: Yewbender on December 17, 2018, 09:39:09 PM
I helped a buddy install a L&R on his T/C Hawken. We had to remove some wood hear and there but luckley it wasnít too bad. Just took our time and made sure it fit right. The only problem with the lock was the frizzen had alot of play, with frizzen spring compressed the Frizzen had alot of wiggle that i didnít like. The lock worked great until the frizzen broke because of the play. He called L&R, told them what happened. After sending it back they fixed the problem and sent it back. So far so good the lock is working great without any issues!
Title: Re: L&R locks ?
Post by: Eric Krewson on January 19, 2019, 11:12:15 AM
I actually sent back two different locks. The first one they sent me had a huge casting flaw in the nose, I mean a hunk out of the nose that there was no way to file it out. The next one they sent me had the hammer too far out on the tumble shaft and the it only nicked the edge of the cock stop. I sent it back and they ground off the tumbler shaft so the hammer fit in the right position, but.....they created a huge burr in the grinding process and pressed the tumbler shaft burr and all through the tumbler hole in the lock plate. The tumble wouldn't turn without great effort even standing alone with no main spring attached because it was dragging on the burr they forced through the hole.

I disassembled the lock and it took me about 2 seconds to locate the problem. I filed off the burr, polished the shaft and hole to a mirror surface and put everything back together, now the lock worked like it was supposed to.

I didn't notice any play in the shaft so I called the lock OK and finished my build. I sold the gun(TC Renegade built from many new parts) to a collector who never shoots any of the guns in his collection so the condition of the lock is unimportant.  I don't think the burr damaged the tumbler hole in the lock plate because I caught it right away. 

I bought the lock for $189 but had close to $20 in shipping sending it back twice, I was not reimbursed for my shipping costs.

Title: Re: L&R locks ?
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 19, 2019, 11:17:19 AM
i have an L&R trade lock on the 20ga smoothie and i wound up taking it apart for proper cleaning, polishing and lubing.  made a difference for sure.  that L&R is what came with the gun, but i'd rather have a jim chambers lock; they are perfect from the get-go and worth the extra dollar$.

Title: Re: L&R locks ?
Post by: Eric Krewson on January 19, 2019, 11:18:58 AM
Perhaps the GPR RPL lock is a better fit than a TC. I have heard from a lot of folk who used a TC RPL, some went in easily, some went in poorly and everything in between. I have found they is a lot of inconsistency in TC guns, they are not the cookie cutter copies we might expect.
Title: Re: L&R locks ?
Post by: Eric Krewson on January 19, 2019, 11:26:02 AM
It is Chambers for me as well, the only thing I find consistently wrong with a Chambers is the main spring is always dragging on the lock plate, an easy fix, just takes a few minutes with a file to correct.

Title: Re: L&R locks ?
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 19, 2019, 11:32:00 AM
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... they are not the cookie cutter copies we might expect.

yep, that's it in a nutshell.  all it takes is for a stock to be a hair off and it's no longer a "drop in" lock ... i know L&R doesn't call it that because it sure wouldn't be true.  this is the same with the very precise kibler kits - there are just too many variables, particularly in getting all the holes and alignments of the barrel, tang, touch hole and lock to fit within a tenth of an inch, let alone for a "perfect" fit.  i found that out first hand with the kibler kolonial kit, and jim acknowledged the issue i had as an "oopsie".  wasn't off that much that i couldn't or didn't fix, it's just something to be aware of when messing with kits or swapping out locks, in that if you don't have the ability to administer a proper fix, the kit or swap out could wind up being a mistake.
Title: Re: L&R locks ?
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 19, 2019, 11:37:04 AM
It is Chambers for me as well, the only thing I find consistently wrong with a Chambers is the main spring is always dragging on the lock plate, an easy fix, just takes a few minutes with a file to correct.

ah yes, we both see that same issue.  it is an easy fit.  if it's a lock for a build, yer gonna wind up disassembling it anyway, too.
Title: Re: L&R locks ?
Post by: Huntschool on January 19, 2019, 12:07:06 PM
Perhaps the GPR RPL lock is a better fit than a TC. I have heard from a lot of folk who used a TC RPL, some went in easily, some went in poorly and everything in between. I have found they is a lot of inconsistency in TC guns, they are not the cookie cutter copies we might expect.

Eric:  I agree totally with this.  Even moving a TC lock from one gun to another can bring some "fixing" into play.  I found this back in the day when I worked on outside guns.

JMHO....
Title: Re: L&R locks ?
Post by: Rocklock on January 19, 2019, 04:02:39 PM
Iíve got 5 L&R locks in service, 3 are RPL flinters, One each into Renegade and Hawken stocks.   Very little difficulty.  One was to convert a 50s to 60s one off rifle with a Russ Hamm percussion to flint.  The Hamm worked but the mortise put the touch hole too high.  Did some re inletting and filled some space below the back end of the lock plate.  Certainly not L&R fault.  One of the locks was bought from a supplier along with other parts to minimize freight.  Several parts required filing and polishing.  The locks bought direct from L&R weíre fine for the look I was going for and functioned just fine. Iím guessing that the problem lock was bought as a kit.  Stuck together and sold.  Browning the first one for a TC, I over heated the frizzen (I donít use that browning solution anymore) so sent It back to L&R and asked for rehardening, plus a spare frizzen fitted and hardened, and spare frizzen and main springs.  Great service, quick turnaround and the flinters work just fine.